Classy Women Offer to Pay for Dates Always

Recently the New York Daily News published a survey that stated that men would prefer if their dates chipped in for the bill. The number of men surveyed yielded 64% saying that they paid but would rather the woman had offered up a part of it, but they felt ashamed to bring it up. These men are suckers.

Here’s a pro-tip for the men in that 64 percentile – classy women ALWAYS offer to pay the bill, leave a tip or at least her half of it. I am talking about the first date here. If she doesn’t offer and she isn’t a “traditionalist woman” (see below) then it is decision time.

There are 3 types of women out there dating:first-date-finances

1. Traditionalist Women – These women do not care for anything that feminists have done to men in the modern age, hell they oppose it and prefer women to be the way they were (in terms of a relationship) back when each partner had a cut and dry role. These women want us to pay the bill because it is part of our duty, and just like we play our part, they are willing to play their part in playing homemaker if you become a family unit. Editor’s notes: If you love old movies and old roles then a woman like this is a godsend. Pay the bill, wife her up, and enjoy a life of peace and less confusion.

2. Level-headed Modern Women – Women in this camp do not see gender roles as a handcuff. If they like you, they will not hesitate to ask you out. Level-headed women will say that the bill is picked up by the person who asked the other person out. If she asked you out then she will pay, if you ask her out then get your wallet out. Classy women are in this camp and are more than willing to split the duties of just about everything with you… just don’t be an ass and expect them to cook. The sword slices both ways.

3. Opportunistic Women – The final 3rd and the main offender of dating etiquette is the opportunist who thinks that she should be treated the way her grandmother was but will beat you over the head with a feminist morning star if you have anything to say about her role. Men, I implore you – please – leave these women alone. The most bitter, angry, and defeated men I talk to have been victims of a woman who was a confused, opportunistic.

The classy women who turned out to be my actual girlfriends or memorable dates were in the 1st and 2nd camp. I never gave an obvious opportunist a 2nd date and you shouldn’t either. Dating is a time where you feel the other person out and what speaks louder than a career-driven, hungry woman who believes that you should pay the bill 100% of the time because you are a man? Does she need to slap couple-out-on-a-dateyou in the face with the red flag for you to even notice it? Be smart guys.

I know that the dating atmosphere has changed heavily over the years with the internet becoming a part of our daily lives. We have gotten to a point where women are heavily educated but lacking for relationships and men are beat down and confused by popular media. To say that it is a jungle out there right now is an understatement.

As a man you are told to shut up and let a woman go her own way while still being held to old standards that were afforded to classy women that had no rights. We are told to man-up in one breath, and in another we are told that our manhood is offensive, a part of rape culture and a whole barrel of nonsense that has become popular in the last 3 years. The irony with all of this is that it is championed by white knights and pandering men all over the place.

So where is a man to stand?

On one hand some of our brothers have gone extreme (and it is understandable), they feel comfortable going it solo in life and “renting” love whenever the urge for companionship is there. Other men have folded and assimilated into the horde of feminist driven, beta males who live only to serve and uplift women no matter what. For the rest of the men who are men but want a mate – there is the confusing, annoying, and very expensive dating game whose rules are shaky at best.

These social obstacles have become walls in the road of relationship-seeking and it starts with the bill. How are men supposed to act with the bill now that women are just about on even footing in terms of jobs, education, and everything else? Are you going to seriously sit back and tell me that a man should still pay just because he’s the one with the cock and balls at the table? I disagree.

??????????????????????????????????Men, let me ask you this? How would you treat the bill if it were you and a man? This is going to blow your mind so stay with me – and women can understand why beta males will fight to pay the bill for the same reason I am about to give here. When men go out to eat it is almost 100% guaranteed that the bill will be split unless it’s a business transaction where the vendor pays for the clients meal. Got it? Now observe what happens when one man offers to pay for another man’s meal in a general sense – they fight over paying it because of EGO. Ding, ding, ding.

So to the poor beta male who has been stripped of his manhood in every facet of society, this lowly act of picking up the bill is his way of “being manly” and I must say that it is quite pathetic. This is why 64% of the men in that survey picked up the bill and was disappointed at the women for letting it happen. It is a silly, ego-driven game by both genders and it really doesn’t have to be if you treat it the way you would if you were out eating with a new friend of the same gender (assuming that you’re straight). What do you think?

This guest post was courtesy of Greg Dragon (@hobdragon). Check out his Men’s Lifestyle blog Hall of the Black Dragon.

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23 responses to “Classy Women Offer to Pay for Dates Always

  1. Men are losing all of their class now a days expecting women to want to pay. What happen to a man being a gentleman and wanting to do for a woman? Shit like this just shows how far we have fallen as a society men don’t even want to cater their women anymore

  2. Love the post. It’s interesting to see how single men think. Though I am married, I feel like men should pay up. I guess I am a traditionist. But that’s why there are different strokes for different folks.

  3. I’m not sure if I could agree with this any more… Too often women assign words like “gentleman, classy, etc.” to a guy for doing things for her, when the words may have no true backing to the action. The likelihood that this first date pans out to be more than a casual dating situation is very low… So fundamentally him paying for the date in it’s entirety has little to do with any kind of meaning from a traditional view, it just makes her feel better about herself if she likes to be catered to or doesn’t like spending her own. It’s the first date, he don’t even know if he likes you enough to pay for you. Don’t get me wrong…. I get it! But the women who have this steadfast approach and view “My grandmother didn’t have to pay, my mother didn’t have to pay, and neither should I have to, because that’s my place as a woman and his place as a man, etc.,” are far and few in between.. They’re in the minority! Do I know a few who feel like they shouldn’t have to? Yeah.. But for the most part all I know is women who are willing to be fair…. Think about it, if a guy shows up to a first date saying what he should be entitled to simply because he’s a guy and what his grandfather was used to, how enthused would you be about him?! Showing up with that type of expectation and mentality is only showing him that in the future he can expect for you to be opportunistic. Forget the fact that he don’t know you from a can of paint, he is already has it in his head that you’re SUPPOSED to be doing something… And that’s all it’s about. Fairness. Not a privilege you assign to yourself because of genetic disposition. It’s not asking a woman to change her tire where you might be physically more capable. It’s holding them accountable to be fair because they have the same capabilities. PERIOD! If this were 1924 and women didn’t work this would be a different story, but it’s not.

    • Thoughts like this are the reason men are losing respect for women more and more every day. Why can’t a woman expect for a man to do certain things if he is expecting to show his worth to her? The problem is men just want everything easy without working for the milk of the cow

      • If a woman gets her self worth based on what a man is willing to do for her, then her self worth is already is already questionable. If its about what is “easy” then the man might not be too serious about you if its only based on ease… This has nothing to do with ease. Truth be told a guy would probably rather lay for the woman who feels that it’s owed to her by birth right.

        • I really just don’t get it. What is wrong with a man courting and doing things the right way. Why does it have to be all the on the woman and men want to get a cop out out not to chivalrous

          • If its already predetermined to you what the right way is, then everybody would more than likely fall into what’s right. It’s not a cop out to want fairness. You’re saying a man should be a man, which in this situation equates to being chivalrous with actions YOU value. I could be wrong, but it seems like him doing the the things you’d like for him to do would make you feel better about yourself. Worth doesn’t really apply. But eh, we disagree.

            • A bit of a cop out. I can’t do the dutch thing as this is a turn off. women like to feel protected and feel taken care of. Men in my life who foot the bill I have probably paid out the equivalent in gifts etc. I am fine with paying as a gesture but men who expect to be paying turn me on.

    • The tone of your comments seems to be quite bitter, but you haven’t offered your opinion on the topic. Do you believe that men should pay for every single date, no matter what? Do you then believe that man is then owed something by the woman? Elaborate.

      • Nah its not bitter its tired of men not wanting to be men. I dont think men need to pay all the time but I damn sure think he should be paying and proving himself worthy of that woman

  4. I think I fall into a hybrid of the first and second types of women.
    I’ve offered to pay on just about every date I’ve been on, especially those that I have initiated. Almost always have been told no, you’re not paying. That’s cool and I respect that. But I do not require it.
    I think it’s only fair, particularly with it being the first date. You don’t know each other very well. No one owes you anything.
    Some people are, in fact, out here only looking for their next free meal.

  5. A woman should never have to pay. EVER! First date or 13th date. If I offer, that’s one thing, but I should never be expected to pay.
    As for the argument that women are making more nowadays, that’s just an excuse for men to not have to pay. Why don’t you all step it up, instead of checking what’s in a woman’s pockets?

      • I’m showing up.

        Here’s the thing: If a man asks me for my time, then that’s what he’s getting when he pays for the date. Same way you pay for the doctor (because YOU set the appointment), or going to the movies (YOU wanted to see that movie).

        It doesn’t matter what the “economic times” are, either pick a more cost-effective date or don’t date at all. You can’t use the excuse that women are making more these days & have the means therefore they should pay. I have 2 arms, but that doesn’t mean I should have to open my own door. I also own a car, but that doesn’t mean I should be driving him around on our date. Why do men start trippin when it comes to paying? SMH

        • Hi Chocolate Vent. I’m particularly curious about what (if anything at all) have you contributed to the relationships you have been in past and present. What sort of qualities do you boast of, and what sort of expectations can a man have of you?

          Surely if merely existing all you have to offer, and more importantly all you feel you should have to offer, then I’m really curious about the type of men that gravitate towards women like yourself. I find it rather fascinating that such a staunch overestimation of worth and unapologetic sense of entitlement would be considered an even remotely attractive quality for one such as yourself to have successfully secured a date, much less several.

          No dis, as this says less about you and more about the men who entertain and pursue women with such a disposition. In other words, had you not been receiving positive reinforcement from suitors who’s pursuit gave life to your egregious perspective on dating, you would have certainly and promptly adjusted your expectations to be more in line with reasonability. Its not your fault however, as I blame the so called ‘men’ you have encountered for nurturing this expectation within you.

          You asked, “Why do men start trippin when it comes to paying? shm” My question is, why do women such as yourself start trippin’ when they don’t?

          • Hello, I’m glad you reached out to me. Here are the answers to your questions:

            You asked what do I bring to the table. In one word: ME. Isn’t that we all bring to any relationship? If you wouldn’t answer that question similarly, then perhaps this needs to be a whole different conversation. The reason a man would be attracted to me (or any woman for that matter) is because of whom she is, not what she can bring to the table. There are millions of attractive, intelligent, educated women such as myself so I wouldn’t dare say that’s what sets me apart. It seems as if you want me to respond with some tangible qualities that I possess that no one else in the world possess but me, however, that would be preposterous. There are other women out there who are compassionate, funny, sincere, etc. so I’m afraid that wouldn’t answer your question either. You see, what makes each person special is how all of their qualities are packaged together, not because that they possess some “magical” quality that can’t be found anywhere else. So it’s about the total package – that’s what I have to offer.

            Trust me, I don’t take your comments as a diss at all. I have thick skin & when a man comes at me like this I just figure he doesn’t know any better. Why else would someone belittle my exes without knowing me at all?

            You think that I have a sense of entitlement? Well, you’re absolutely right – I do. I am entitled to a man that treats me as well as I treat him. I’m entitled to someone without a lot of baggage, low self-worth and immature & selfish behavior. Who isn’t entitled to what they’re worth? You see I was raised by my mother & father so I am fully aware that I don’t deserve any less than I’m worth. You’re probably thinking that I’m the type of woman who thinks too much of herself and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion of someone that you’ve never even met. However, I submit to you that most men are not ready, willing or even able to fulfill the needs of a woman who knows what she’s worth. Instead they focus on why a perfectly good woman is not paying for the date they asked them out on.

            On to paying for a date. There is nothing chivalrous about letting a woman pay for herself on a date. It terms of pure economics, women are starting to out earn men, however, the key word is “starting”. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Black men still out earn Black women in general. If a man asks me for my time, then that’s what he’s getting – my time & the opportunity to see if he’s interested in me & vice versa. If a man has approached a woman for a date but expects her to pay her share, then that’s simply not a date but just a friendly get together. That’s like someone inviting you to their wedding & because you accept you are supposed to pay for your meal at the reception. That would be inappropriate for the bride & groom to expect that, wouldn’t it? (You may bring a gift, but that certainly isn’t mandatory)

            You asked me “Why do I trip when a man doesn’t pay?” My response is this: I don’t. It just means he’s not a gentleman. The same way I wouldn’t trip if he doesn’t hold the door open for me even though I can open it for myself – He’s simply no gentleman & I have no business going out with him.

        • Hi Chocolate Vent. I’m particularly curious about what (if anything at all) have you contributed to the relationships you have been in past and present. What sort of qualities do you boast of, and what sort of expectations can a man have of you?

          Surely if merely existing all you have to offer, and more importantly all you feel you should have to offer, then I’m really curious about the type of men that gravitate towards women like yourself. I find it rather fascinating that such a staunch overestimation of worth and unapologetic sense of entitlement would be considered an even remotely attractive quality for one such as yourself to have successfully secured a date, much less several.

          No dis, as this says less about you and more about the men who entertain and pursue women with such a disposition. In other words, had you not been receiving positive reinforcement from suitors who’s pursuit gave life to your egregious perspective on dating, you would have certainly and promptly adjusted your expectations to be more in line with reasonability. Its not your fault however, as I blame the so called ‘men’ you have encountered for nurturing this expectation within you.

          You asked, “Why do men start trippin when it comes to paying? shm” My question is, why do women such as yourself start trippin’ when they don’t?

          Mr SoBo
          OpinionatedMale.com
          “Smart Men Rock”

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